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Post by Myrror on Aug 23, 2005 0:04:27 GMT -5
Ehe, hi, I know I hardly come around (well, I lurk at least once a day...) anymore, but I have a question.
Would you accept a forum post, from someone's personal forum that they were using as their 'website', as a valid webpage to put one of your cybercreatures on?
Example: Say Silvanon (which she isn't, obviously) was using the Orchard as her website, and didn't have another website--this was 'it'. She had a special section where all her adopted creatures would go, different threads for each one.
Would that be acceptable to you guys? I just want to find out if I'm being too ansy about it...
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Post by Leafy on Aug 23, 2005 0:10:11 GMT -5
Not ansy at all, you ask for a website, they should have a website, they're free after all and you don't have to be a genious to figure them out. Kick the person that wants to use a forum, cause that's just stupid -_-;
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Post by Myrror on Aug 23, 2005 0:23:48 GMT -5
Well, they've said they can't use one, because their broadband provider is in direct competition with geocities and a few of the good ones, and...blah.
One of their quotes...: I shan't be changing my use of the forums as a whole. I don't see why it's such a problem, really; a webpage is defined, according to the dictionary, as:
"A document on the World Wide Web, consisting of an HTML file and any related files for scripts and graphics, and often hyperlinked to other documents on the Web."
The bad thing is, I gave them a dragon straight up at another forum, without knowing the 'no website' thing, as they were planning on opening an agency (and agency=website, yes? Well, guess not, they're gonna operate that through their forum). However I did tell them I'm considering them unpaged even if it is paged (which means they can't get anymore--and once this particular giveaway is over, if it's not changed in time, it's abandoned)
I mean, I even gave them a LIST of 209 free websites, and they say their ISP won't let them use any...and yet they can use photobucket to upload the images...
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Post by Leafy on Aug 23, 2005 0:58:19 GMT -5
Last I checked, Yahoo-anything wasn't an ISP -_-;; That's a sorry excuse. As for the "can't use any others cause ISP won't let them," again, BS, their ISP cannot control what they access like that. If it was child porn, then granted, I'd expect them to block that, but free websites? Bullcrap -_-; And as for that Dictionary.com quote, you usualy for a specific type of webpage, it's up there on all the info pages, and I think you even go so far as to provide an example link, and if you don't, then there's the parent's lists, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to look at the other pages and figure out "gee, this is what the adopter wants."
I would like to think that artist's rights are still respected, but sadly they are not u_u;; Congrats for putting your foot down, I wouldn't have put my foot down persay, but I can't say where I would have put it, cause Silv would strangle me XD;;
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Post by Myrror on Aug 23, 2005 1:15:23 GMT -5
Tell me about it.
And they asked at the board, and a couple people really don't care, as long as it's a page. Or that's the jist I'm getting (and I guess it's alright, for them, I suppose)
But ya, I really should revamp my rules explaining what a website IS in my view....one of these days.
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Post by Bright Promise on Aug 23, 2005 5:56:13 GMT -5
In my opinion, it is impossible for her webserver to be in competition with every free host out there... either she is jerking you around or ignorant and heard something like "you can't use a comcast page because we don't have an account with them" - "but why?" - "because Comcast is in competition with <blah blah blah> and you can't sign up with them"
If it were me, I would revoke the previous crit I gave her and and not give her the new one, because I've gotten really tired of people jerking me around ^^;;;
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Post by Aevelyn_LL on Aug 23, 2005 7:18:03 GMT -5
I agree with the it's not a website thing. I've adopted out a tyshiri before only to have them give me some message board link. I mulled it around and decided that no, that's not acceptable and asked that it be moved to an actual website. (Yes every page is on the "web" and it's a "site" thus making it a "website" but not in the common terms of adoptions. Perhaps we need to update our vocabulary? A web hosting site? Would that be less amibigious? Anyone else have any ideas on that one?)
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Post by Silvanon on Aug 23, 2005 9:24:07 GMT -5
The basic problem I see with a forum is that it's not a permant page. It won't be treated as such by her web forum host, nor by search engines that go through.
In my own opinion, one of the basic ideas behind adopting out a cyberpet is to get your link up on other people's websites, thus increasing the search engine rating and popularity of your own site. That's the "payment" you get for handing out a free cyberpet. If the person is posting on what will be preceived as a temporary page, then you don't get your payment.
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Post by tlouey on Aug 23, 2005 11:54:34 GMT -5
They are your creations, if you feel iffy about them putting it on a forum... then just dont go there.... you really don't owe them anything. I know back when I was making cyberpets, I would not have accepted a message board.
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Post by Saturnalia on Aug 23, 2005 20:49:41 GMT -5
Well, they've said they can't use one, because their broadband provider is in direct competition with geocities and a few of the good ones, and...blah. As a few have said before me... that sounds like a bunch of crud that they're pulling out of their... left nostril. If they can't put the effort into creating a REAL website (with a cyberadoption theme or section or whatnot), and not just using the bare-bones (and half-butt-ed *cough* if I may say) approach of a forum post, then they probably shouldn't be involved in cyberadoption. That's sort of part of the deal: there's a reason why most of us don't accept neopets pages and that sort of thing... forums and the like aren't made, as Silvanon said, for permanent hosting of much of anything. Their purpose is, mainly, chat and communication. I don't see anything wrong with you not accepting their method; if the adopter can't respect your use terms of the dragon, that's their problem.
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Post by IvySpring on Aug 23, 2005 20:50:59 GMT -5
That person is probably just lazy. Seriously.. it doesn't take that much to use geocities! Like for me.. I really don't know how to do HTML (I'm going to take computer science next year and try and learn ;D) so I just use the geocities pagebuilder. It's so simple! Anybody can do it! That person is definetly just lazy!
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Post by Myrror on Aug 23, 2005 22:00:29 GMT -5
Well, the latest repy was that they didn't want to go through the trouble of finding a place that allowed them bulk uploading without FTP (that's another problem, albiet a more believable one)
I'm giving them until the end of the giveaway period (perhaps two months, it's a LONG giveaway) until I abandon it, only because I want to deal with any abandons all at once.
Thanks, guys *hugs you all*
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Post by drago on Aug 30, 2005 1:02:13 GMT -5
Ehh I wouldn't let them use a forum either, to be honest, because all forums go through upgrades and data can be lost and the URLs might change... a web site is much better, and a forum is kinda a silly place to host your pets permanently, you know?
drago
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Post by Myrror on Aug 30, 2005 1:22:16 GMT -5
I know that, but there's no getting around it with them, or some others it seems.
So I left. Let them be so desperate for adopters that they'll happily take a forum thread as a page.
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Post by Nyx on Aug 30, 2005 9:36:32 GMT -5
Was that the prob at the Nexus? If you don't want to talk about it, just swat me with a stick and send me to a corner
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